Knowledge is powerful.
In 2012, Dr. Suzanne Humphries wrote her original protocol for whooping cough using Vitamin C. Since then, she has received hundreds of appreciative letters from parents telling her how the protocol worked using it on their own. I (Jacqueline) write this for my own children who are now about to have their own families, but I also want to share it here for anyone who is willing to do a little study. Your child’s health and recovery is worth a few hours of your time to learn.
This is summarized, but to gain a full understanding, please go to Dr. Suzanne’s full sodium ascorbate protocol for whooping cough (or another source) and read it. You will learn an amazing amount by watching her brilliant video below.
Please do not jump to the protocol if you do not understand the full picture. If you do, you may struggle to work out how, when and why to adjust vitamin C dosing.
The good news is that whooping cough treatment is simple and inexpensive, and it can be done at home.
Use this Vitamin C (sodium ascorbate) Protocol with your doctor or at home
You can use this protocol with your doctor: Dr. Humphries writes, “If you have a cooperative medical provider, this document can serve as a guideline for them and you to work together. However, as you will see by parents’ experiences on drsuzanne.net, most parents use the document on their own with success. Their stories will give you hope to put aside the negative messages propagated by ignorant and mis-educated mainstream media and the conventional medical system.”
She writes: B. pertussis infection as NOT a walk in the park. For many people, it is a severe and worrying cough.
If the B. pertussis vaccine was safe and effective, it may have been worth using. However, the B. pertussis vaccine is probably one of the most ineffective.
It’s many disadvantages which lend dubious, fleeting protection to the individual, results in numerous doses and boosters from cradle to grave. In fact, the more whooping cough vaccines a person receives, the less effective they become.[1] Conversely, a 2010 study suggested that natural immunity to whooping cough lasts at least 30 years[2], whereas the immunity from a vaccine lasts three years at most.[3]
Is Vitamin C (Sodium ascorbate) a cure? No, but the majority of parents who use it on their infected babies, and young and older children, report a significant decrease in cough intensity, with thinning and loosening of sticky mucus, within the first 24 hours of proper dosing. Ascorbate, in properly spaced, very high oral doses, will get you and your children through the weeks with vastly reduced symptoms while developing lasting immunity that will later protect those around them more effectively than vaccines can.
Dr. Suzanne states,“Whooping cough is the place that I use the most vitamin C… Antibiotics do not change the cough, except often will make it worse because you are impairing the immunity and doctors have nothing else to offer.”
This video will be exciting to anyone who wants to knowledgeably avoid iatrogenic accidents.
She goes into all uses (including use for sepsis) in an easy to understand way.)
Identifying Whooping Cough In Your Child
“The cough will become more regular and predictable, first at night. You may get coughs every hour, on the hour. This is because it takes around an hour for the mucus to pool deeper inside the lungs. Usually parents start to suspect whooping cough once the cough becomes regular in the day as well. If you suspect it is whooping cough, write down or electronically record the time of each coughing spell at the beginning, to see if a pattern establishes. This will help with diagnosis.
“Why write it down? Because life will become so hectic you won’t be able to remember, and your paper or phone will be your memory. It will enable you to look back clearly, without panic, and see what the progression has been.
“Once the cough is established, at the end of some coughs, fairly thick mucus might come up. This is because the bacterial exotoxins have eroded most of the hairs in the bronchi that normally sweep the mucus up and around, like a non-stop river to keep the surfaces moist.
“The earlier in the illness you start using ascorbate, the fewer bronchial hairs will be lost. Once bronchial hairs are lost, the cough sounds dry, and that’s because the mucus membranes aren’t being kept as regularly moist as normal. Most children do not pool mucus, so long as they continually bring it up.
“Healthy babies, toddlers, and older children with whooping cough look quite normal between the telltale coughing spells.” (source)
Types of Vitamin C ascorbate to have on hand
Powdered Sodium ascorbate (PSA) crystalline from a non-GMO source. I recommend Nutribiotic brand available from amazon or iherb.
Liposomal sodium ascorbate (LSA). I recommend Livon labs brand lipospheric available from Amazon and iherb. Note that this is a soy-based product and also contains 12% alcohol, about 1/8th tsp per pack. I have not had any problems even in very young babies.
A more recent discovery of mine was Sufficient-C brand ascorbic acid. The benefit of this brand is that it tastes amazing. It is a bit more expensive than Nutribiotic SA and it is Ascorbic Acid (AA) not Sodium Ascorbate (SA), but I recommend you use it for older children and older toddlers who are weaned from breast milk IF you have to give very high doses of PSA or LSA. Why? Because you can hide the PSA and LSA in it. I have yet to see one adult or child say they didn’t love this brand of ascorbic acid. Best of all, it is sweetened with stevia and nothing harmful. It also contains caffeine free-green tea extract, L-lysine and bromelain. You can use a 50:50 PSA and Sufficient-C combination, or add some LSA to the sufficient-C to hide the taste of the LSA.
Dr. Suzanne states, “Vitamin C is never a poison in the body, because so many functions of the body require it, and whenever you take too much, you will have an episode of loose bowels, as the excess is removed from the body. This is how you know you’ve had more than enough.”
General Care of the Child
“Watch the child carefully throughout the day, and write down everything, including how you are feeling. If the child feels hot, go ahead and take the temperature. Under no circumstances use cough suppressants of any kind, or acetaminophen, fever reducers, or cold medicines. Parents have been conditioned to fear fever, but fever is the body’s innate mechanism to deal with disease.” (source)
Vitamin C Dosage Instructions
Sodium ascorbate is cheap and easy to find. It is a slightly sour, salty powder and small dosages contain large amounts of needed vitamin C for treating whooping cough.
To calculate dosage: Divide child’s weight in pounds by 2.2, then multiply by 375. This is the total number of mg. one should take during waking hours each day, divided into frequent dosages.
There are 1112 mg of vitamin C in 1/4 tsp (one dose) of Nutribiotic sodium ascorbate.
For a child who weighs 40 lbs, the dosage would be about six 1/4 tsp doses throughout the day. This can be divided into smaller, more frequent doses if needed.
40 / 2.2 = 18.18 X 375 = 6,818 / 1112 (the mg of vitamin C in one 1/4 tsp dose) = 6.13 doses in one day
At this dosage, the vitamin C should cause “bowel flushing,” the point at which bowel tolerance of vitamin C is reached and stools become loose. While an unpleasant side effect, this is a sign that the body has become saturated with vitamin C.
She says, “If your dose is right, within 8 hours there should be a significant reduction in the coughing frequency and severity. If you start to taper the ascorbate too soon, e.g., before two-four weeks, you could see an increase in cough.
Because the toxins produced by pertussis can persist for up to three months, it is recommended to continue treatment throughout that duration.
Liposomal vitamin C Use
Liposomal vitamin C is suggested for exclusively breastfed babies.
Occasionally, Liposomal vitamin C may be needed at any age if bowel tolerance has been reached but the coughing persists. In that case, a liposomal vitamin C can be added in similar doses.
I urge you as a parent to gain a basic understanding of this protocol to dramatically lessen the difficulties of whooping cough for your child and avoiding altogether the challenges found in the modern medical system of today.
To learn more, follow Dr. Suzanne over on FB here. See more or her excellent videos here.
Her book Dissolving illusions gains a 5 star rating and is a best seller, because people want the truth!
Jess
My children (3 and 1 1/2 Years) had whooping cough almost a year ago, and they have seemed to have a slight lingering cough ever since. They have bad coughing attacks after running. I’m worried their lungs have been weakened and I’m tempted to vaccinate my third child- even though I know it may not work… it would be the vaccine’s fault and not mine, and the guilt over their coughing is wretched. Is there anything I can do to heal them?
Jacqueline
Yes, Jess, there is! Remember that natural immunity to whooping cough lasts at least 30 years, whereas the immunity from a vaccine lasts three years at most. The earlier in the illness you start using ascorbate, the fewer bronchial hairs will be lost. Once bronchial hairs are lost, the cough sounds dry, and that’s because the mucus membranes aren’t being kept as regularly moist as normal. Most children do not pool mucus, so long as they continually bring it up. So, you can still use ascorbate and the cough will go away.
If I told you that their immune system would be stronger now that they have had whooping cough, maybe you wouldn’t feel so badly. Please don’t beat yourself up. The downsides from the vaccine are far worse than the relatively short time of discomfort you all experienced. Hang in there and protect your children from the greedy big pharma machine that bases things now on fear and pressure.
Now to answer your question about what to do to heal them: Get this Powdered Sodium ascorbate powder https://amzn.to/2G6NI47 and give it according to the dosage rates based on their body weight. Their coughs will gradually be a thing of the past and it will also strengthen them and keep them able to fight many other things.
Secondly, I would give them all cod liver oil after reading this post on how to fight measles naturally: https://deeprootsathome.com/measles-gain-better-understanding-reduce-rates-with-vitamin-a/ Use the CLO for prevention (see under dosage). They will be getting both Vitamin A and D in the CLO so they will get stronger and stronger. I have given CLO all the years of our kids lives and they still take it and never get sick – they have had NO vaccines. They also all make elderberry syrup and have never had flu but twice and it was only 2-3 days each time. It is all on the blog so you can get that info and be free of the side effects of pharmaceutical side effects.
I hope that helps!
Blessings, Mama! You can do it! J
Brittney
I know a baby that has a full blown case of whooping cough they got from the vaccine. There is info available showing that the vaccine has failed and getting the vaccine actually increases chances of getting Pertussis by 15 times. Do your research please. Check out childrenshealthdefense.org
Jacqueline
Brittney, thank you for sharing this truth here! I hope many others will learn and research for themselves instead of just believe whatever they are told!
Marcella
All of your posts are such a blessing!!! May God bless you and keep you! Thank you!
Former RN and mom of ten
Jacqueline
Aww, thanks, Marcella! I just keep looking for ways to educate where the media has confused! Please pray that many will be spared harm. First do no harm, right?
Thanks for the encouragement and God bless you!! J
Trina Holden
I wept as I read your post. Your description of the pertussis cough described my baby, and helped me solve the mystery of her terrible cough for 6months.
Vitamin c ordered and hope replacing despair.
I had whooping cough as a teen….I thought this wasn’t whooping cough because she never “whooped”. How common is non whooping pertussis and is this new version a result of vaccines?
Pat Fry
How much vitamin c can a pregnant lady take that has been exposed to the whooping cough
Jacqueline
Hi, Pat Fry!
Your body can use as much as it takes to get you up to tolerance (which simply means looser bowels). That tells you how much you need. If you are very WELL, it will be less need, but if you have deep sickness going on in your body, you can take WAYYY more and never get to tolerance bc the body uses up all the C left and you are left with nothing to staunch your free radicals.
I take about 20,000 mg a day (20 grams) spread over the day. https://amzn.to/2NDNgzK
With the sodium ascorbate I/we use 1/4 tsp is just over 1,000 mg. (rounded down)
so 1 full tsp is 4,000+ mg.
4 tsp. is 16,000 mg.
6 tsp. is 24,ooo mg.
Keep a chart and find out what you need to get you to tolerance.
I hope that helps! ~J
stephanie
I ordered the sufficienct-c brand that Dr. Humphreys recommended from Amazon there was a link to Amazon for it and that one is actually 4000 mg instead of the 1100 mg just wondering what I should do for dosage or if that’s too much milligrams at once for toddler around 36 pounds. Thanks
Jacqueline
Stephanie, the Sufficient-C is 4,000mg. for 2 FULL SCOOPS. Just give him a 1/2 scoop and you’ve got it!
Blessings! ~J
Stephanie
Thank you so much for getting back to me. So should I give him half a scoop throughout the day a couple times or half a scoop once a day? Thank you again.
Chrissy
So grateful for this information and encouragement. Any advice on which form would be best for a 7 month old baby? I have the LiveOn Liposomal Vitamin C and just ordered the two powdered vitamin c supplements Dr. Humpheries recommended that will be here in a few days. I’m not sure how I could administer the Liposomal Vitamin C to my baby, it is so terribly bitter. Any advice is appreciated. Much Love.
Jacqueline
Hi, Chrissy!
Dr. Suzanne says that Liposomal vitamin C is suggested for exclusively breastfed babies. I believe I have heard her on a video somewhere say you can put it on the tip of your finger and into the cheek of the baby’s mouth and then allow them to nurse or give water to chase it.
It will be easy to get the sodium ascorbate powder into a baby (as a 40 # child would only require six 1/4 tsp doses throughout a day). Depending on the weight of your baby, it may only be 2 or three 1/4 tsps. in a day. I like the powder best, but if the cough keeps up intensity, that is when she says liposomal C may be needed as it is assimilated faster(?)
I hope that helps! Sending love back! God bless you and your family <3 ~J
Amber Foust
Hello is there a chart for dosage? I have used this protocol loosely before for multiple things and it’s worked Everytime. I like sharing the info with others and charts are easier to save and send?
Jacqueline
Hi, Amber! It is all in the post, but not in a chart form. I maybe can carve out some time to do that before I leave for OR. Thanks for asking! ~J
Rebekah
Is it ok to give the 24 hour recommended dose in a 12 hr period? In the example you have of a 40 lb child, the calculation was 6.13 doses of 1/4 teaspoon of the Nutribiotic brand in a 24 hr period? Or just in waking hours? Thanks for your help!
Jacqueline
Hi, Rebekah! Yes, I would give the 24 hour recommended dose spread apart in that waking period. “To calculate dosage: Divide child’s weight in pounds by 2.2, then multiply by 375. This is the total number of mg. one should take during waking hours each day, divided into frequent dosages.” Let your child sleep when possible! And then you can also sleep <3 God bless you..I just prayed for you, friend! The Lord will see you through as you seek Him! ~J
Brenda
Hi, have you ever heard of someone not responding to the vitamin c protocol? I’ve been giving my 35lb daughter 4tsp a day broken into 1/2 tsp every 2 hours. I was previously doing 1/4 every hour with no success. She still is coughing a lot during the day and at night she wakes 3-4 times with whooping coughs. She hasn’t expelled any mucus at all. She just swallows it all. Not sure if this is normal under this protocol or if I should just keep upping the dose? Oddly her nose seems to keep running again too.
Jacqueline
Hi, Brenda! Has your daughter been recently vaccinated or been very sick? The body will just burn through Vitamin C under those conditions. I would not be afraid to keep upping it and once she comes to tolerance, her body will be saturated…and her stools loosen. It cannot harm her. 4 tsp is approx. 16+ gr. a day, which is not excessive. Try to get her up to 20-25 grams in a day and break through that using up of her vitamin C resources. Praying for your peace and both of you getting rest. Rie it out. She will be stronger for it. Sending hugs!
Question: Are you saying she is swallowing the mucus or swallowing all the Vitamin C? Hang in there, the idea is to keep her out of the hospital and safely in your home. ~J
Brenda
Hi, thanks for the response. I didn’t see this until now. She’s not vaccinated and she wasn’t sick outside of the WC. I’d say we had about a week or two of that really bad cough and then it just got a lot easier. I wished I had seen your response because it probably was because of the dosage. She never really got the hang of getting the mucus out. She coughed it up and swallowed it back down. Now the key is keeping her from getting any more colds for the next few months. She had one a week or so ago and the cough came back for a couple days.
Thanks so much for all this information and your help!
Jacqueline
Brenda, do you know about TRS? Even if she wasn’t vacc’d we know that we parents can pass many toxins to our babes as they develop during birth.
You may want to read these 2 posts:
https://deeprootsathome.com/avalyns-story-how-trs-a-safe-heavy-metal-detox-can-help-you-and-your-child/ and
https://deeprootsathome.com/surprise-giveaway-trs-a-safe-heavy-metals-detox-giveaway-for-3/
It will give you a big picture view of going after the root cause.
Let me know if you want an invite to the closed TRS FB group so you can read more!
Blessings, J
Courtney S
I am 48 with several chronic health problems. Would I still calculate the same dosage that is stated for kids to figure out the dosage for myself? Thank you for all of this incredible information.
Jacqueline
Hi, Courtney!
Thank you! I am sorry you are sick.
I need more information. Do you have whooping cough or just a slew of health problems you want to address? Yes, you can use the formula to calc. the dosage at any age, but read a bit further about the liposomal vit. C if you are not able to reach bowel tolerance. If VERY sick, you will need vastly more vitamin c…then body will gobble it up. Do not be afraid of it, but just increase to where your stomach gurgles.
I would recommend your reading these 2 posts and looking into TRS for getting to the root of your issues:
https://deeprootsathome.com/avalyns-story-how-trs-a-safe-heavy-metal-detox-can-help-you-and-your-child/
Then read: https://deeprootsathome.com/surprise-giveaway-trs-a-safe-heavy-metals-detox-giveaway-for-3/
Let me know if you would like an invite to the TRS FB group. I think it will help you, and more than you know.
Blessings, J
Jennifer
I have 2 year old and 3 year old having whooping cough for more than 2 months . I wondering I cant figure out how much to dose and how many times also can I do liposomal and absorbic acid because that’s what I have .
Jacqueline
Jennifer, if you read through the other comments here, they will give a lot of insight. Also, you may want to re-read the whole post and open all the links. You can do it with those you have. Is the ascorbic acid buffered? it is not necessary, but best bc of their teeth having so much acid. If it isn’t buffered, have them drink plain water after every dose and swish before swallowing! I hope that helps! I have to leave home now.
Praying, ~J
Courtney S
Thank you for responding so quickly.
Long story short, I was diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthritis over 25 years ago, Lupus a few years ago and, about a year and a half ago, I started seeing a homeopath who believes all my health issues began with Lyme.
Early this year, I was diagnosed with the flu and then pneumonia then the flu again. I got the all clear in the middle of May. Then I got the flu AGAIN a couple of months ago. And I’ve been fighting a cold for the past few weeks. So, I’m hoping the Vitamin C can FINALLY get me feeling better. Thoughts?
Danielle
Hi, I believe we are in a battle of whooping cough currently but it’s a long story. So currently we all have been coughing and having mucus expelling since October. We have been to doctor visits and it’s like she didn’t know or care. Just said allergies or cold virus. So I’ve taken into my own hands I guess. We also just had a close friend who was tested and positive for it and was coughing around the same time. I’ve back tracked and wrote all down. Now trying to figure out the next step. But have questions that I can’t seem to find answers too. I ordered PSA and the sufficient c but do I also need the LSA? I though it was more for breastfeeding babies…my kids are 8,6, 4, and 2. Our 6 year old I think what started it. He seemed to be in recovery phase now being 9 weeks since symptoms started but is starting a cough again. 8 yr old seems much better and is progressing as well as myself and husband. My husband still is having pains from bruised or cracked rib. Not fully sure cuz urgent care would investigate further. My cough has lessened but still comes and I get the cough cough cough cough gasp. My 4 and 2 year old seem to be in the peak phase. Not coughing as much but still get red faced and will get mucus and vomit up. 🙁 that’s why I’m seeking info to help them and heal. Over all it seems we are all different times. But I’m confused on the contagious phases and school and if I need LSA too.
Anyone have advice or help? We just started the PSA and suff c but I’m still trying to understand and figure out after reading the whole article (not just snapshot and protocol version). I want to make sure we are getting right amount. And I just don’t the school thing. Doc said they should be fine to go since it’s been so long already and we just had Thanksgiving with family. Please help!
Jacqueline
Danielle, Here is Dr. Suzanne’s link to parent’s experiences: http://drsuzanne.net/suzanne-humphries-md-testimonials/
You will be able to read more there. I am praying for you, mama!
It sounds like you are definitely having whooping cough and not just cold virus or allergies! It also sounds like it is getting better, so keep on with what you are doing…as long as the doses you are giving isn’t producing diarrhea, keep giving it till their tummy rumble and then back off a bit!
I hope that helps! ~J
Danielle
Thank you for the link and prayers! Definitely needed and appreciated.
And we haven’t actually done anything. Just started vit c stuff today. That’s why I was asking cuz we are kind of at the end/middle of it and I really don’t want to spread it and just want to make sure I’m doing it right so we don’t have secondary infections or complications from other illnesses. Help our bodies be stronger after this.
Jacqueline
Danielle! You really do understand! Their bodies/immune systems will be healthier and stronger for it! Hang in there! Good job, Mama!
Blessings, ~J
Danielle
Hi, I posted earlier this week when we started protocol and I emailed dr. Humphries and we are still struggling. It says in 8 hours should see improvements and 24 Lessening symptoms. Well 5 days in we are worse! My 6 yr old is coughing more and struggling to eat and drink. He has not reach bowel flush and I’m trying to make sure he is hydrated. My 2 yr old every time she take even a small dose now she coughs and vomits. She can’t keep any food down. I’m a wreck. I’m coughing and trying to figure it out and I’m frustrated cuz there is no one to help and no way to communicate this with. It’s like we are starting all over again with cold symptoms and coughs all over again. We’ve been dealing with this for 2 1/2 months already with no help from doctors and now still no help. I don’t know if we are still battling or passing back and forth or still the same. All I read of success and improvements but no one is saying if it gets worse before better and we arnt starting at the beginning of symptoms. So I have no clue. I just want help and some answers!
Brenda
Also, one other thing I did do but I started at the beginning of the disease. I got a nebulizer where you can add your own medicine into the cup and I nebulized sovereign silver a couple times a day. It kills bacteria and reduces inflammation. Not sure if it would be effective at this stage but worth a try.
I also diffused very small amounts of eucalyptus globus and peppermint to help open the airways. Both of those are recommended by Robert Tisseraud in very very light doses for toddlers so I would diffuse in the room before bed and turn it off when they went to bed.
Jacqueline
Brenda! Thank you for stepping in while I have been away! I still have a house full of company and family! I love your thoughts and recommendations and that you have shown such kindness to Danielle! Hugs! ~J
Jacqueline
Dear Danielle!
I am just seeing this as we have had a houseful of family and it is our Christmas. I apologize that I have responded so late! I see that Brenda has answered beautifully and well and I agree with her recommendations. Plus, tt is terribly frustrating not to have timely feedback, but sometimes it is impossible.
I just wasn’t to reshare this part of the post (in Dr. Humphries words) bc it may make all the difference (and it is the part Brenda mentions is tasty in pt.#2): “A more recent discovery of mine was Sufficient-C brand ascorbic acid. The benefit of this brand is that it tastes amazing. It is a bit more expensive than nutribiotic SA and it is Ascorbic Acid (AA) not Sodium Ascorbate (SA), but I recommend you use it for older children and older toddlers who are weaned from breast milk IF you have to give very high doses of PSA or LSA. Why? Because you can hide the PSA and LSA in it. I have yet to see one adult or child say they didn’t love this brand of ascorbic acid. Best of all, it is sweetened with stevia and nothing harmful. It also contains caffeine free-green tea extract, L-lysine and bromelain. You can use a 50:50 PSA and Sufficient-C combination, or add some LSA to the sufficient-C to hide the taste of the LSA.”
One last thought is to use the LSA (mentioned in the post) and instead of having them swallow it (swallowing seems to be the problem I hear you saying over and over), you can put the LSA in between their cheek and gums. It may be less likely to cause a gag reflex.
I am praying for peace, rest and a much reduced cough you and for your children. ~J
Brenda
Hi Danielle, here are some things that I learned about the vitamin c protocol through a lot of frustration. Suzanne Humphries has great information but application of it can be a little hard for little ones.
1. The key is to get to bowel tolerance. And to dose often. It’s so hard to do this especially when you have a small toddler who doesn’t want to take it. I got up to 4tsp a day with my daughter before loose bowels.
2. The best way I found to get the kids to take the vitamin c was to make up the full days dose in the morning. I did 3 tsp sodium ascorbate and 1 tsp of the acid ascorbate she recommends. Not sure which one you are using but it’s tasty. If your kids like orange juice, it hides well in there. I did 1/4 tsp of the mix with 1 tsp of liquid in a syringe every hour.
3. This disease is exhausting. Even with the protocol, we didn’t experience a day turnaround for complete healing. But it did minimize the cough. She coughed maybe once during the day and then 2x at night. Before we hit bowel tolerance it was once every hour or two around the clock. The night coughs were the worst. She would gag and cough and then swallow everything back down. The cough was over in 2 weeks though. The scary part of it.
4. If your kid gets sick, the cough comes back. But it only lasts for the duration of the sickness. So my daughter caught a cold maybe a month later and for about a week, she had a few episodes of whooping. Not nearly as much or bad. I’ve been dosing with a LOt or vitamin c and elderberry to prevent and she hasn’t been sick since.
5. They will have a dry cough for awhile. We are 3 months away from it and if she runs around, she coughs.
My heart is with you. This isn’t an easy disease in any which way. I remember feeling so defeated and anxious. But you’ll get through it. Just don’t be afraid of dosing often and until bowel tolerance.
Danielle
I started putting 2 yr old in a shot glass and using very small amount of water and doing every hour cuz she threw up her first two doses and food right after taking them. She is battling 99s temp today and that has me startled and even more anxious. Not cuz of fear of fever but fear of secondary infection. Fevers we usually just let them do there thing and monitor. Dr. Humphries mentions that in article but says it hardly happens in sodium ascorbate treated. She took a 4 hour nap. We are using what she recommended. The nutribiotic sodium ascorbate and the sufficient c. I ordered the LSA today to see if we need that too. Especially for olders at school and said would help with night time cough. I think the added fear from medical world is not helping in such that something happens the finger gets pointed and I’m already an emotional wreck that just may make worse. I may just be over thinking and fearing but we’ve been struggling so long and then I’ve been reading and trying to study and figure it all out and I have a chart and writing everything down and back tracked…I just want some relief for us all and to see progress. Thank you for responding.
Jacqueline
Danielle, you are doing an amazing job! Just hang in there and know that it will get better! It is east to overthink and to get fearful, but you are doing the best you can.
I would diffuse the essential oils Brenda mentioned and I personally would use nano silver instead of colloidal if you use silver. It is hard to use too much and with colloidal, you can give too much.. I think many here are praying for you!
Danielle
Thanks for your responses. Dr. Humphries did email me back and said to seek outside help since 2 yr old was developing a fever which usually meant secondary infection. She has an ear infection and of course they put her on antibiotics but because of wc, which they believed she didn’t have still even after seeing her cough and throw up, they put her on stronger antibiotic that is suppose to cover wc. Dr. Humphries said if she can’t stay hydrated then take her off vitamin c. So thanks for help. The rest of us are continuing protocol. I have all the types Dr. Humphries recommends and that’s what we have been taking other than the LSA cuz the article is confusing saying it’s for breastfed babies and then can be used if met bowel tolerance but still coughing bad. Guess we will figure out as we go. Just frustrating that medical staff doesn’t recognize it but yet push and push how bad it is. Doesn’t makes sense to me. Praying we all can recover and our 2 yr old has no more complications.
Jacqueline
I am sorry that they are pushing antibiotics despite the string evidence of WC! So glad Dr. Suzanne got back with you, Danielle! I’ll keep praying!
Hugs, ~J
Danielle
Again thank you for your responses. Things have calmed down and two year old is doing better. My older two (1 1/2-2 months in) seem to have lessening coughs, appetites returning and still doing well with vitamins c. Same with my husband but he had antibiotics. Myself, 2 year old and 4 year old are still in the thick I guess. Not really having major cough vomit spells but do occasionally and have more getting mucus up spells. I had first vomit one and it was awful!!!! I have just been doing the cough spells and whooping and getting mucus up but tonight I got a tickle in my throat and it was not good. I am doing vitamin c protocol as well.
We are only 6 weeks in from start of first symptoms. I know we will be continuing the vitamin c protocol but what else can I add or do to help support our immune system as we recover. I had elderberry, probiotics, vitamin d, zinc, ect . I’ve been running oils in diffusers and topically applying to help our immune system fight. Especially for my hubby and 2 year old who had antibiotics. I know it’s just the beginning of winter here for us and I don’t want to even think of more sickness. Also good food ideas??? I’ve made soup with bone broth and we liked that but for me I struggle so much with food. Mainly to eat. Being that I’m caring for everyone i feel I’m struggling cuz I’m not caring for self.
Jacqueline
Danielle, I will email you this afternoon! I have some ideas! Hang in there! You are doing a GREAT job by the sounds of it – it is just tough to go through!!
Love, Jacque
Lynn
Hello, my 9 year old has whooping cough and I’ve been following Dr. Humphries’ vitamin c protocol almost from the beginning, as I suspected that’s what it was. It is about week 6, and she rarely coughs at all during the day, maybe once or twice. However, a couple days ago, she woke up from sleep (before this the first cough of the morning would be the worst, but not a huge deal) and she coughed up a glob and then tried to swallow it, couldn’t and choked on it where I had to scramble to put pressure on her upper belly to help it move. Since that episode, she has gotten that a couple times while sleeping, which has caused such anxiety I can’t sleep and have been occasionally waking her up to give more vitamin c through the night to prevent it! I would rather she threw it up, but she’s never thrown up from it, just chokes trying to swallow it. Is this common? Has anyone else experienced this? Is there same way to prevent the huge glob from choking her other than dosing through the night? Does the glob stage end at some point? I have also had to be careful about how much psa she gets, because she also developed laryngospasms where her throat closes over and she can’t breathe or talk after the cough (which has also been terrifying to hear and watch) when she gets too much (after much research, it was suggested laryngospasms can be due to heartburn?) and her belly gets too upset. I’m trying to balance the two by adding in liposomal vitamin c, but I’m so exhausted and anxiety ridden about the whole thing! Are these normal experiences? Has anyone else had these issues using the vitamin c? Am I actually giving too much, but what’s with the choking glob then? How do I mitigate that if I’m giving less? I’m so frustrated, terrified of these odd episodes, and exhausted. I had originally emailed Dr. Humphries’ about the throat closing over issue, and all she had said was if it didn’t seem normal, go to the dr. I have no idea if it’s normal or not. I’m so grateful to anyone reading this, and any advice and/or support is so graciously appreciated!
Jacqueline
Lynn, I will email you yet this morning!
Try to ‘work with’ the process of getting it up and keep on as you already are. It is, sadly, somewhat ‘normal’ that there are gobs or globs that are exiting so that is a good thing, but simply being as calm and as matter-of-fact while it is happening will calm your child. We can heighten the fearfulness by allowing fear to overtake us which can even make it worse. (yes, it is scary and frightening to not be able to get what seems like not enough air!). I do not think you are overdoing the Vit C (in whichever form you use it) unless your daughter is having diarrhea and you are to tolerance.
I will email you in a bit, but what you are experiencing is normal if she is able to work through it. Questions: does she finally end up swallowing it or expectorating it?
~J
Jessica Ruffing
Hello! Very much appreciate all your research and knowledge – and Godly discernment! I am hoping to purchase a Vit C to have on hand for our family when illnesses strike and just as a prevention certain times of year. My daughter is just under a yr old, and I’d love to have something in a powder or chrytal form for her to take as well. Would SA or AA be a better choice? I am considering the nutribiotic SA. Thank you so much!
Jacqueline
Jessica, with a daughter under a year, I would keep several buffered forms on hand. Powdered Sodium ascorbate (PSA) (Nutribiotic) https://amzn.to/35yma2e
and Liposomal sodium ascorbate (LSA) https://amzn.to/2tBwqJO
Both have slightly different uses. The post expounds on that.
There is also Sufficient-C brand ascorbic acid. https://amzn.to/35yke9T
The benefit of this brand is that it tastes amazing and works well with resistant children. I hope that helps. ~J
Danielle
Hi all! Just wanted to say we have recovered from whooping cough and made it through holidays too! Thank you for your help, support and encouragement. Other note I know it takes time for the cilia to grow back and that other respiratory infections or colds can bring the cough back after you have had wc. Does anyone know how long it takes for the cilia to grow back? We are now battling some cold or sinuses or virus (I have no idea cuz we all have had similar symptoms but different too) our 2 and 4 yr old started coughing again and seems like cough is back. I know it’s not wc but 2 yr old will do while cough up mucus and sometime vomit again. Just wondering if there is anything else I can do to help the recovery process. We are still doing vitamin c (normal dosing), vitamin d, elderberry, and colloidal silver as needed. Just feels like the never ending battles of sickness for us.
Brenda
It’s the same for us. I read it’s like 6-9 months. My 3 year old got it in September. And she has this dry cough that kicks up when she’s super active. I’ve been dosing with elderberry syrup and a 2000 iu drop of vitamin D daily and I think that has helped her not catch too much. I also do not give her any processed sugar. We eat pretty clean and I think that helps too. She did catch a cold on Sunday and her cough was awful. But I gave her cold calm tablets and 4x her usual elderberry dose and in 2 days she was better.
Debbie
Would sufficient c be a good brand for young children to prepare the I’m in system for the corona virus? Do I use the same formula for the whooping cough treatment? He is and about 70 lbs. would I increase the dose if he did get sick? He’s rarely sick ( not vaccinated ) so I’m not used to illness in children!
Jacqueline
Debbie, I would use the regular sodium ascorbate as my routine bc of the cost, and it doesn’t have additives in it. I would only use Sufficient C if I had a resistant child, and another big reason to me is bc I don’t like getting my children in the habit of needing sweet things…
Itzel
Hi, my family was exposed 11 days ago to a family that has pertussis. My 10 yo is vaccinated but my 24 months is not, he was playing and sharing toys and food with one of the sick kids. 5 days later my 24 months developed a fever and runny nose for 36 hours.
What is the protocol to prevent or protect them in case they got it? I am so worried.
Thank you!
Jacqueline
HI, Itzel! I am sorry I am just getting to this! In the Vitamin C post, there is a section near the bottom entitled, “GENERAL CARE OF THE CHILD” Please read that and I think it will all makes sense!
Actually, read the whole post to get the whole picture! That is why I wrote it <3
I am praying for you! ~J
https://deeprootsathome.com/vitamin-c-for-whooping-cough-by-suzanne-humphries-md/
sonya
my son 10 months old 17 pounds has had a terrible cough last 3 days with off and on fever took him to the local clinic was tested negative for flu and swabs for RSV and Swabs for whopping cough due to him not being vaxxed. i have SA on hand how much should i have him and how often also if his fever is due to secondary infection what else can be given ? i did start him on mullien tinture
Jacqueline
Hi, Sonya! I am so sorry to hear that, but be cause he has not been vacc’d, his immune system may be strong enough with SA helping him along. There is a formula in the post on dosing. It states:
“VITAMIN C DOSAGE INSTRUCTIONS
Sodium ascorbate is cheap and easy to find. It is a slightly sour, salty powder and small dosages contain large amounts of needed vitamin C for treating whooping cough.
To calculate dosage:
Divide child’s weight in pounds by 2.2, then multiply by 375. This is the total number of mg. one should take during waking hours each day, divided into frequent dosages.
There are 1112 mg of vitamin C in 1/4 tsp (one dose) of Nutribiotic sodium ascorbate.
For a child who weighs 40 lbs, the dosage would be about six 1/4 tsp doses throughout the day. This can be divided into smaller, more frequent doses if needed.
40 / 2.2 = 18.18 X 375 = 6,818 / 1112 (the mg of vitamin C in one 1/4 tsp dose) = 6.13 doses in one day
At this dosage, the vitamin C should cause “bowel flushing,” the point at which bowel tolerance of vitamin C is reached and stools become loose. While an unpleasant side effect, this is a sign that the body has become saturated with vitamin C.
She says, “If your dose is right, within 8 hours there should be a significant reduction in the coughing frequency and severity. If you start to taper the ascorbate too soon, e.g., before two-four weeks, you could see an increase in cough.
Take this formula and have someone do it for your son’s weight. Then give this amount of Vit C in divided doses as above.
I hope that helps!
Blessings, ~Jacque
sonya
so it would 17/2.2= 7.72×375= 2,897 3 doses of 1/4tsp a day correct?
Jacqueline
Yes! Sonya! you are on it!
Vitamin C is so helpful, safe and its efficacy suppressed! You can also use liposomal gel as is mentioned in the post, as well, inside the cheek if getting htis down is a problem for any reason! And do not woryh it it is more than slightly more than the 1/4 tsp bs the body will handle it well!
I am praying. And mullein is helpful, too!
~J
Kenzie
Hello,
My 5 and 3 year old have whooping cough I’m sure. No fevers but the cough is exactly as described. They are both at a point where the cough is severe and causes the gagging. My three year old has thrown up twice. After the cough they seem to swallow the saliva, they refuse to spit it out. I found your post and read the article by Dr. Humphries but I’m not sure I understand what exactly to give and how often. I have one picky child so I ordered the Sufficient-C brand ascorbic acid. Do I need the psa and lsa as well? I do see where it says to use 50:50 of psa and sufficient C. So mix together? Also if there are other people in the house how do I prevent everyone from contracting and re-infecting each other? Thank you!
Kenzie
Jacqueline
Hi, Kenzie!
I am just checking in for a minute as I’m with family and a new grand baby. I am short in time, sadly, and apologize.
First, try re-reading the post top to bottom. Then read all the comments and answers. A lot of times questions are already answered. The response to Chrissy may be the most helpful.
Yes, you would mix them together! Best prevention is to do high does vitamin C all of you. find out what your tolerance is and stay at or near 4,000 mg a day of Nutibiotic powdered buffered /vitamin C. See this post in the section on vitamin C: https://deeprootsathome.com/4-natural-science-backed-ways-to-be-prepared-for-coronavirus-pandemic/
I hope that helps! Also, there are links in the Vitamin C/Ascorbic acid whooping Cough post to more by Suzanne Humphries! You can go deeper by reading them!
Remember, this will pass and you wail all have stronger immune systems for it!
I am praying for you!!!
~Jacqueline
Gloria
I’m an adult who has been diagnosed with Whooping cough. Being misdiagnosed for 2 months as asthma it’s a relief to find it was not asthma. I continue to cough spit gag and have trouble breathing. I’m reading your protocol about bowel tolerance and achieving it for the vitamin C to work. My question is which is the best form of vitamin c for an adult to use. Previously I was using a Acerola powder and it’s in a powder form. Should I try something different. Thanks for your help. I was also given antibiotics a few weeks ago but yet the phlegm and coughing are still with me
Jacqueline
Yes, Gloria, the acerola is not enough for whooping cough.
Read the whole post and consider watching the video because it will help you better understand how to do this for yourself successfully. You will come to the place where it says
Types of Vitamin C ascorbate to have on hand
You will see a link to Powdered Sodium ascorbate (PSA) crystalline from a non-GMO source. I recommend Nutribiotic brand available from amazon or iherb.
Also, I have the full protocol for getting up to bowel tolerance for covid (and it is the same for whooping cough) in this post:
https://deeprootsathome.com/4-natural-science-backed-ways-to-be-prepared-for-coronavirus-pandemic/
I am praying for you and a quick recovery or at least WAY less symptoms till it runs its course!
I hope this helps, and am here if you have more questions!
God bless you,
Jacqueline
Gloria
Thank you Jacqueline
I did pick up Royal Camu powder is that one better?
I used it with iron supplements. It says it’s 100 mg vit C and 1000 mg Camu Camu in 1/2 teaspoon
Magan A Dupre
Hi my son who Is 2.5 & 30lbs got diagnosed with whooping cough. He’s unvaccinated
From the formula giving. 30lb/2.2=13.63×375 =5111mg.So it would be 4.59 doses
. Do I give him all 4 doses In 12 hours or 4 doses spread out over 24 hours. I’m a little confused. And how to measure 1/4tsp for powder
I am 31 weeks pregnant I have immunity to this but how much vit c (s.a) can I take too?
I’ll be using the brand nutribiotic s.a powder
Thank you !
Jacqueline
Hi, Magan. I have terrible shingles on R side of face and eye, and sorry to be so brief, but you can give him as much as he can take to bowel tolerance.
Start with it in 12 hours for best results, and sooner! It can only help, never harm.
I am praying, and yes you can do it, too while pregnant!
God bless you and all. ~J
Magan A Dupre
Thank you so much for replying I hope you feel better . <3
Truthbetold
Is there a way to contact Doctor Suzanne Humphries? We are being put between a rock and a hard place with Nephologists who want our adolescent child vaccinated before they put him on a transplant list. We need direction on how to handle the people pushing for this! Thank you
Jacqueline
Truthbetold, I am so sorry that is happening to you! I am praying now! I found her email: [email protected]
God be with you all!
Grace and peace!
Jacqueline
Kaycee Stepp
Hi Jackie! My 16 month old (unvaccinated) has been struggling with some sort of respiratory illness. It started as a runny nose and the cough came 2 days later. The reason I suspect whooping cough is because of the coughing fits that started tonight (night 3), but I realize it doesn’t fit the timeline suggested so perhaps it IS just a bad cold. I think I may go ahead and start her on Vitamin C anyways, just to help the cough (lots of thick mucus). The website you linked is under maintenance. Do you have a suggestion for another video to gain understanding on how Vitamin C works/etc? Thank you for caring for us! May God bless you as you continue to be a voice of truth.
Jacqueline
Kaycee, I did see the ‘maintenance notice” oh Dr. Suzanne’s site.
I found that several other links were not working as well and fixed them as best I could
by searching the same thing and seeing what popped up…so I found her original Whooping Cough PDF.
I think what has happened is that she is under pressure to keep silent and so she actually took her site down.
I heard she has had threats against her life.
So we can pray for her. I know her work to be solid and accurate.
THe Vit C video in the post is working and the best source I know.
Here is much more on Vit C: a page titled “Vitamin C Material: Where to Start, What to Watch” = http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v13n20.shtml
I hope that helps!
I am already praying for your little one!
Grace and peace,
Jacque
Kaycee Stepp
Oh no! I hoped that wasn’t the case but sadly the thought crossed my mind. I will watch the video and be praying for her. Thank s again, Jacque! And sorry I accidentally misspelled your name before. 🙂 Have a good day.